Pt. 2 Which Jesus Do You Worship?

Who is Jesus, really? In Part 2 of our series Which Jesus Do You Worship?, we explore the biblical truth that Jesus is not only fully God, but also fully man—two distinct natures united in one Person. He experienced real human weakness, temptation, hunger, sorrow, and suffering, yet remained completely without sin as the perfect Savior.

Join us as we examine why Christ’s true humanity is essential to the Gospel and what is at stake when we misunderstand who He is.

Transcript

SPEAKER_04 0:00

And this is one of the most good moves in the world today. I said to every sinner, God break the law for money.

SPEAKER_05 0:15

At the risk of being heretical tonight, might I suggest to you that um eighty-five percent of Jesus' life, he was out of order. Eighty-five percent of his life, he was doing what he was not called to do. God, y'all done got quiet.

SPEAKER_01 0:48

The study, the study, the study. Study boys, we back. Yeah. What's good, man? Crowd crowd going crazy. Part two. Indeed, indeed. Crazy part two. Part two, man. Part one has been um, you know, it's been received really well. Thank everybody for tuning in. Um, I see the comments, even uh not just YouTube, but all over socials, people are excited to talk about Christ and uh and to walk through the word. Yeah, it really is. And it's funny, somebody, um, uh a nice young lady asked about what version is is that of the Nasin Creed? It's beautiful. So I was like, oh I'm gonna ask, I'm gonna ask my bro and see which one it was. I was like, it's fire though, right?

SPEAKER_06 1:37

She was like, Yeah, so um in our book of Concord, we have a more uh, let's just say, uh a version that's used more for scholarly research per any Lutheran group. And this one was the Colb uh Wingert edition, and they uh reference an older version. The Nicene Creed is Nicene Creed, but it's an older manuscript translation of it to where kind of how the KJV per se is old old English, and now we have Bibles in New English. When they did this back in the say the 50s or 60s, like a while ago, when they were translating it, they were going with those terminologies. So that's why. That's why. And honestly, I got calls about it too. Like, man, I know about heart. Well, man, what were you talking about? The ages. I'm like, hey, it threw me off too. Like, I have a couple book of Concords. Yeah. I was doing some work and I was using the um the scholarly one, the everybody references. That's the one I had next to me. So that's why. But it was it's an older version. Um, I guess I could look. I don't have it next to me, but it's it's in the Cole uh Winger, uh, I believe it's Fortress Press edition of the Book of Concord. That publishing. Fire.

SPEAKER_01 2:56

Fire. Nah, it was, it was it was beautiful, man. I love that. So yeah, shout out to Sister X. And uh, but nevertheless, man, this is part two. You know, I think it's gonna be important because the first one was really just a survey, an overview of the person of Christ, but we did sort of inherently spend a lot of time talking about Jesus' divine nature, him being uh fully God. So I think uh, yeah, that just felt natural. I think it was important to hear. Although obviously we we did touch on Jesus' humanity um in the survey, in the overview, but we did land there naturally, man, which I think was very important. But I think it'd also be fire just to talk about Christ from the ground up. You know what I'm saying? Like him in his humanity, um, just right, this this Jew, this Palestinian Jew who's living the law, the regular course of the culture, the expectation, and um, yeah, doing that perfectly. Which has been challenged these days, right?

SPEAKER_06 4:02

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I think that even last episode, we started from the ground, like we're doing now, but we started from there to illustrate and to show why and how, and examples in scripture, he is God. You know what I'm saying? So we didn't start with the the hot come down saying he's God, this, this, this. It was in this culture, when this happens, that testifies to deity. When this happened, it showed that Christ was doing it, but we did land more so on the aspect of Christ's divinity. So today, yeah, we get we we're gonna delve into uh things that are being challenged. Both sides get challenged from different types of heretics, to be honest.

SPEAKER_04 4:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 4:40

But right now we're gonna focus more on the humanity side of it, we'll say. So we can we can let's get it, man. I love talking about Christ.

SPEAKER_01 4:46

Me too, bro. Let's get into this first clip. It's a wild one. Buckle up, buckle up. Let's get into it.

SPEAKER_03 4:54

Let this mind be in you, which was also in the anointed Jesus, who being in the form of God thought it not robbery to be equal with God. And you do not think it robbery. You don't, it it's not taking anything away from God to be equal with our Father, to be equal with our Lord Jesus, He's the one that caused it to happen. And our good God said, Oh yeah, they're my children, of course they're equal to me. I gave birth to them.

SPEAKER_01 5:42

Ay, ayay, man. Wow, bro, my my jaw is on the ground, bro. I got so many things running through my head. I'm like, what in the world, bro? Where is he getting this from?

SPEAKER_06 5:56

It's it's an aspect of since God in Jesus is human, they elevate our humanity as if, oh, we can be equal. No, bro, you are not equal to Christ. We do not fulfill the law perfectly. We do not, it's not the same. But the problem is people actually are eat this stuff up. And then, not to harp on something we talked about earlier, then we have popular people that we address sometimes and talk about that stand next to him and go to his conference and promote basically promote or co-sign him in a sense. And that's a problem. Like this guy literally is talking about mankind being equal to God. Equal to God. If you guys heard anyone say that, you gotta be like, yo, I'm not equal to God. No, no. But then these same people who would say that or turn around and hey, here's my friend here, he hangs out with the guy who says he's equal to God, and he's a solid teacher. You should listen to him. Not realizing when you say that, that's also saying he's telling people it's okay to rock with him and listen to him. And he's talking like as you say, rank heresy right there. Rank heresy, and it's confusing the aspects of who Christ is. He's not your peer in that sense, where makes us equal to God.

SPEAKER_01 7:27

No. No. And it's and it's it's it's so true what you're saying, bro. What he's doing, he's blurring the lines between creature and creator. We are not equal. We are not ontologically, meaning like our being. We're not equal with God. We're not equal with the Father, we're not equal with Christ Jesus. So for you to take a passage from Philippians that's talking exclusively about Christ, who did not count a robbery to be called equal with God, and then you apply that to every Christian as if because we're in Christ, we now have access to um ontologically become equal to God Himself. You're blurring the lines between creature and creator, and that is forbidden. That is that is false doctrine. You cannot do that.

SPEAKER_06 8:25

Also, the person I was talking about was um, we did a couple episodes. Tim Ross literally was at a conference with this guy, Kenneth Copeland, recently. I'm not talking about 10 years ago, four years ago, a recent conference. Like we're not just grabbing people to talk about miscellaneous things for no reason. So the Tim Ross people who was defending in the comments, who we referenced on a couple other things about calling our Lord and Savior a stripper and this and that, this and that. Just know that add this to the checklist of things people are gonna dismiss. But you're pointing people to someone who's spewing rank heresy.

SPEAKER_01 9:03

Uh, it's so much I want to say in this space. I think this is dangerous for so many reasons. And you see this nonchalant attitude about all of this. So, so number one, somebody could say that Kenneth Copeland made his biggest impact a few generations ago. Why are you guys bringing him up? And it's important because, as you mentioned, we have millennial and Gen Zers who are keeping his name in the forefront. You have somebody like Tim Ross, who to date is featuring, preaching alongside of him, which is pulpit fellowship, which is to say, I am lockstep with this person and his messaging, so much so that I'm going to feature at his conference, right? Now, it's one thing if you go to a place knowingly disagreeable, like, hey, they invited me, but I'm going to go there and preach the truth of God. I'm going to be very clear. I'm drawing lines in the sand because I know that there is not the pure gospel here. That could be a fire opportunity. But these gentlemen, they don't do that. They take these invitations and they go in and they play nice and they speak on the same subjects in the same manner as the people that invited them. And that is very tricky for this sort of the spirit of the day where people really value unionism, which is just a fancy word to say you value people just coming together to agree to disagree. Can we all just agree to disagree but still hang out, still be friends? And it's like, yeah, if we were talking about something that wasn't this important. And I think it's interesting, bro. I think it's interesting that we don't do this when it comes to picking our doctors. We we want to know that this guy's credentialed up and he's he's an expert in his field. We don't do this when it comes to law enforcement or politicians or who we're gonna vote for. I don't care. You just go punching buttons in a voting booth because you just don't care, right? We don't do this when we even pick our vacations. We we read through the reviews to see if if this is a trusted place. Is this a sandals resort or is this a trash resort where it's a bunch of gang activity from the mob and they just gonna be running the cartel through this while I'm on the beach chilling? No, we care about all these other areas of life. We do our research, we get in the weeds, but when it comes to who are our preachers, who are the people that are gonna be communicating God's word and distributing the sacraments, we don't care about what they think oftentimes. Or you don't care about it the way we should. Just, you know, being nice about it. Either we don't care about it or we don't care about it the way we should. And back to my other point, you could say that this gentleman made his biggest impact generations ago, but the millennials and Gen Z are keeping his name alive. Tim Ross partnering with him. Even this young Gen Z guy. I mean, I could or could not say his name, but he's a very popular figure right now. And he's touring all over the world. He's doing all kinds of media, killing it. He just sat down with an interview to introduce Kenneth Copeland to the Gen Zers. And he's showing so much sympathy and just sort of showing this human side of Kenneth Copeland, which makes you sympathize with him, which leaves the door open for you to take in his false teachings, talking about we're equal with God based on a passage that is about Jesus. So this is this is this is unacceptable. And it's it's I think it's we have to slow down and realize that there are false prophets and false Christs. Jesus says that there will be false Christs, false messiahs. And and this right here is a threat to the truth of God when you're telling people you're just like Jesus. Well, whoever that Jesus is that we're just like, that we're equal to, he can't be the Jesus that saves from sin. He can't be the Jesus that's fully man and fully God. If we're just like him and we're equal to him, that's not the biblical Jesus, bro. I don't want nothing to do with that, with that Jesus.

SPEAKER_06 13:38

At all, at all. And that's why it's so key to know like our series we're doing. Who is it that you say I am? We have to be able to answer that and know what categories and what aspects make Jesus of Nazareth who he is per scripture. God and flesh, our savior, our redeemer. We have to be able to know this because a lot of times, like these people though, they'll tell you, kind of like what we just saw with Copeland, they'll tell you some tale or something that gets you intrigued with a scripture verse. Like he said, he didn't find being God and flesh, something to brag about or boast about, you know, like, yeah, man, he was so humble, this and this. They'll get you there, and then they'll run off, and that next you know it's a swift exit on a freeway on someplace you never thought you were, but now you're emotionally invested in it. And that happens a lot. One thing also is it's it's important to know who Christ is. And when you're talking about him, that's how it comes out. Like I can say, like, okay, I could tell someone I know who Flame is, right? And I could tell them, nah, nah, nah, he's a six, seven Japanese dude with a Canadian accent. Damn, that's not him. That's wild. I can't that's a wild description. That's a wild description. I might know the name, I might know, that's not him. That's not, so we have to be able to categorize and know this because that me and you joke about all the time. A con man and manipulator isn't just gonna come out saying, hey, buy this fake Rolex. No, they're gonna present something to get you either emotionally invested or some truth or something that ties you to it before they get to the con or get to the falsehood in it. Yeah. You know, and I think a good example is our next clip we're about to jump into, how they'll start with something, and then if you pay attention and don't just get wrapped up and you're always being a Berean, you'll see how it exits left where it's like that's not God's character. And we know that because when God came as man, there's certain things that he had to do and fulfill. Like, God can't be sinning. God was sinless. There's certain aspects like that where it's like once you, once someone strays and they start mentioning mentioning that, it's like, no, that's a fundamental character flaw you mentioned. That can't be my Jesus. I'm sorry. You say it with all sincerity, all a grandiose story, all some sympathetic tear-jerking got me crying, like, oh man, you're right. They love the love, the love, the love. But that's not Jesus, bro. Sorry, that's not that's that's not who scripture says he is.

SPEAKER_01 16:27

Let's get into that clip, gang.

SPEAKER_04 16:29

Because love will take you way further than the law ever could. I'll prove it to you. Let's say your child is in a horrible accident. Let's say they bust their head wide open on the monkey bars. They fall off the monkey bars. The monkey bars are like 30 feet high. I'm making this an extreme example. And they fall down and they bust their head wide open, and you scoop them up and put them in the car to get them to the emergency room. And on the way to the emergency room, every sign you see says uh speed limit.

SPEAKER_01 17:06

Man, it's so interesting already that he's setting his point up, not with a Bible verse. He's setting it up with a personal story. And it's nothing wrong with personal stories in the right context, there's nothing wrong with illustrations in the right context. But when you're setting up for the punchline about our Lord, how about you use scripture? How about you argue who Christ is from the word and not grabbing a random analogy that you're holding up as the authority? And now you're gonna use that analogy to fit your definition of Jesus in, but already you've conditioned the audience with the nature of the story to sympathize with the story. So now the story is the authority, and you're gonna fit Christ in it because you want it all to land perfectly. So I think this is this is something to just notice before we even get into it. Uh what scripture are you basing this off of? So we'll see. We'll see.

SPEAKER_06 18:09

And this goes to my point of they tell a story that, like, yes, if if I'm in dire need, run that red light, get me to the hospital. I get that. So you're like, yeah, you're right. That's love. I'll I'll I remember when um I won't tell that story. But I'll take I'll run a red light, get some hospital on time. If I I love them that much, I'm that concerned, I care that much. But is that the right paradigm to be talking about what we're what he the punchline of this is? Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 18:42

Let's let him finish, man.

SPEAKER_04 18:44

How much attention do you pay to the numbers beneath the speed limit in that moment? Those numbers mean nothing to you. Why? Because somebody that you love is in trouble, and in that moment, any parent will break the law for the sake of love, any human parent will break the law for the sake of love, and what will really turn your heart to God is not when you hear his laws, which were given for our good, by the way, but they were powerless because there wasn't enough leverage in our action to keep the law. So, what God did when he sent his son, and this is why we get excited in church, and this is why tears fill our eyes when we think about Jesus, and this is why the gospel is still good news in the world today, because God broke the law for love. I said to every sinner, God broke the law for love.

SPEAKER_06 19:51

So, um, one of the characteristics of the Messiah, he's not breaking God's law. Like the story was grand and we could relate personally, but when you know the character of God and the qualifications to be the Messiah, a red flag goes off. You start thinking about passages, passages like 1 Peter 2 22. He committed no sin, neither was deceit found in his mouth. Hebrews 7 26. For it was indeed fitting that we should have such a high priest, holy, innocent, unstained, separated from sinners, and exalted above the heavens. And there's numerous other ones that that testify to Christ being the innocent, the precious, the spotless, the blemishless Lamb. So when we say things like this, you're you're muddling the waters in a sense of I guess they're trying to make Christ more relatable than Scripture. You're not doing anything to that level where you're making it better than Scripture. So it's just rank, like I love that word, rank heresy, you know, where it's like, how dare you try this and you're teaching this stuff as if people are truly getting something out of it, except for a false version of Christ. Thinking that, oh, Christ sinned to get to me, that's love. So maybe it's okay for me to go do X sin, harm somebody or do something out of love for somebody, and things of that nature. So it's just and the last passage I'll mention is uh 1 Corinthians 5 21. For our sake, he made him to be sin, who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God. So he made some no sin take on sin for us. If we're talking about, as he said, Christ, God breaking the law, he was he you can't say he had no sin and and and Took it on for us because he was with us. He was a sinner like us. So we have to realize the qualifications and things that had to transpire of him being blameless, him being unstained, him being sinless. When we talk about our Jesus accurately. So you're not setting up a false, a false Christ.

SPEAKER_01 22:24

Yeah. Yeah. And it's interesting too because we should mention that he does deny the Trinity. So that's that's first and foremost. So Stephen Furtick it holds to a oneness view of the Godhead. So that's already strike one. But strike two, now that he's talking more specifically about his understanding of Jesus, he has a Jesus who sins. He has a Jesus who breaks the law. And that Jesus cannot save if he is also a sinner. How can he save mankind, humankind from sin when he's just a man like everybody, every other man? He's just a human like every other human. He would need a savior as well, then. Yeah, he would need a savior as well. So so this contradicts scripture outright. I love the passages you mentioned. Um, just to pile on, Romans 5.19, for as by one man's disobedience, talking about Adam, the many were made sinners, so by the one man's obedience, the many will be made righteous. That's Jesus, the new Adam. So by his obedience, he didn't, he didn't disobey the Father at all. And this is why the Trinity is important, because it shows you how the triune God is functioning to save sinners. Jesus lived a perfect life as unto the Father. Jesus, when he's, when he's, when he took on the second person of the Trinity, the eternal Son of God, when he took on human flesh and he stepped into time, he stepped into space, he came to fulfill all righteousness. That was part of his earthly task that he had such joy in fulfilling was to fulfill all righteousness. Not the adoptionist theory that we talked about last time, what it's just some regular dude who God adopted and brought onto his team to say, I'm gonna make you a special one. I'm drafting you on a team, I'm gonna, and I'm gonna prop you up to be special so you can do some good. No, that's an entirely different concept. That's not the biblical Jesus. So you have Jesus, the second person in a Trinity who actually perfectly obeys his father. And when you don't have a proper understanding of the Trinity, those dynamics are lost. They're collapsed, they're crushed, because you don't have a Jesus who's living as unto the Father, who's obeying the Father perfectly. You have this guy who's in this other mode doing some good things on earth, but yet he still sins. That's terrible. Philippians 2, verse 8, and being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross. So Jesus's obedience was such pure and per and perfect that the obedience all the way to the point of dying on a cross. And the Bible says, cursed is the one who hangs on a tree. But Jesus became a curse for us. That is the true biblical Jesus, not the one from um Stephen Furtick. And it's so interesting too, bro, because our Lord did warn us about false Christ, bro. Um Matthew 24, gang, verse 4 through 5. It says, See that no one leads you astray, for many will come in my name, saying, I am the Christ, and they will lead many astray. That's why 1 John 4 1 says, Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world. And that's what we're here to say. We're here to say you have to care because there are false prophets and false Christs. How do you know if Stephen Furtick is preaching the Jesus of scripture or this other concept of Jesus? You have to test it. You test the spirit. How do you test the spirit? By God's revelation, by God's word, what he revealed in his word about Christ. All these scriptures, me and Lex reading is not a flex. This is the test. This is what God left us, his revelation, so that we can know when we're actually hearing his voice or when we're hearing the voice of the devil through the false prophet. That's what's happening here. So my prayer, you know, is that people will slow down and by faith develop the sentiment to care as opposed to just trying to be nice, just trying to make us all get along just for the sake of getting along, just to see us all hanging out and laughing. Some people you shouldn't sit down with. Even the Bible talks about that, like, uh, 1 John, 2nd, 3rd John. Don't sit down with some of these people. Don't even have dinner. Don't invite them in your house, right? Because we don't want to mix and mingle in such a way where the sheep cannot tell who's who. And that's what we're talking about. So you probably got something to say, but I think this is this is it's helpful for us to talk about Jesus' humanity, because when people make these claims about Jesus' humanity, then we can compare. Is this the Jesus who's fully man while also being fully God, who's living as unto the Father, who doesn't sin, or are they proclaiming a Jesus who's from the adoptionist theory? Arius, or the Arius theory, yeah, the modulus theory, all these heresies that the church has already dealt with. Which Jesus? Who do men say that I am, bro?

SPEAKER_06 28:52

Yeah. And like, that's a great point. And like, there could be another Jesus from the south side of Nazareth. Okay? Same name, maybe a different hood. A couple, a couple, about four, four fig trees down. What matters though is when scripture talks about who the Messiah is, you can't just say someone's name and go with it and place these false things, like the example I gave earlier, flame being 6'7 with a Jamaican accent. You can't just act like that's the same person we're talking about that has influenced thousands upon thousands. You can't just run with these things and say, oh, that's Christ's okay to say. He's leading people to Christ. That's not the right Christ he's leading them to. You you can't just jump with this because Christ being sinless isn't some notion, the Messiah coming and not being having sin. It was prophesied. These are things that were on the shoulders that we have to judge correctly to make sure people are pointing people to the right Christ. Um, Psalms 5.4, I'll throw out there real fast. For you are not a God who delights in wickedness. Evil may not dwell with you. The boastful shall not stand before your eyes. You hate all evildoers. That's in the Psalms, so that's the Old Testament. God doesn't have sinners or sin just hanging out in front of him like that. It's not something he's that's what we had to be redeemed for, to be able to even partake in the heavenly. So to make these claims that Christ is breaking the law or doing various things, when we're holding to a biblical foundation, it's like, well, if that's the case, he can't be the one that John was excited about baptizing. He can't be the one that we are talking about because by your by your by these people's statements and what people are professing, they're disqualifying him from his rightful position as our Lord and Savior. And you don't want your faith clinging onto something that's false.

SPEAKER_01 31:10

Nope. Because there's only one mediator. There's only one mediator between God and man, the man Christ Jesus. So if you don't have the Christ Jesus who is the one mediator, you do not have a mediator. That person that stands in between you and God. And that's why Jesus, in his fullness, right, the second person of the Trinity, the eternal Son of God who takes on flesh, and he is fully man and fully God, holy man and holy God, God of God, light of light, he stands as the mediator because he can represent humanity to God because he's fully human, and he can represent God to humanity because he's fully God. He is perfectly equipped for that task. And if you have a Jesus who sinned, who broke the law, that Jesus failed his mission, that Jesus cannot be trusted, that Jesus cannot represent you to the Father. There is no hope in following that dude because he has actually exposed himself to be a liar, the false Christ, the one that Jesus warned against. So flee from this expression of Jesus from Stephen Furtick. Flee, run, abandon it. And I know dude make fire music. I know he got fire songs out. And oftentimes that's what we're into. We're into personality cults. Who's nice? Who's talented? Who's charismatic? Who's handsome? Who's pretty, right? Who can draw the largest crowd? Who goes viral the most? Whose social media page is lit, and the rollout for all their conferences is always up to par with mainstream. And you start to get so much into that that you get lulled to sleep, and you will follow a man who says that his Jesus is a sinner and a lawbreaker, and in fact proves to not be the biblical Jesus. Don't be lulled to sleep. And if you thought that was bad, it gets worse. We're about to hear somebody else who's another rank heretic saying some rank heresy. So let's get into that one, man.

SPEAKER_05 33:32

At the risk of being heretical tonight.

SPEAKER_01 33:35

Oh God. I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_06 33:37

I didn't expect him to jump off like that. At the risk of being heretical. Fam, you just admitted, never mind. People should guide it right then.

SPEAKER_01 33:46

I'm not playing that game. It's so interesting that remember Mike Todd set up his talking point the same way? I'm about to mess with your theology real quick.

SPEAKER_04 33:56

Bruh.

SPEAKER_01 33:56

This man comes in the same way at the risk of being heretical tonight. Why are these gentlemen so comfortable? Why are they so comfortable, bro? I know Paul says they're swollen with conceit. That's what it is. They're arrogant, they're pompous, they they're very comfortable. Um makes you say, man, do you do you believe? Hey, Lord have mercy. Let's keep it going, man.

SPEAKER_05 34:24

85% of Jesus' life he was out of order. 85% of his life. He was doing what he was not called to do. God, y'all done got quiet.

SPEAKER_01 34:49

You hear the people in the background just cackling, bro. Cackling, like this is a point of celebration. Like he about to break something down that has never been discovered before. This is let's keep it going.

SPEAKER_05 35:09

For eighty-five percent of his life, he was not flowing in his God-given function. But it did not line up with his divine DNA. He's called, he's chosen, and he's wrong.

SPEAKER_01 35:46

That's all you can say after that, bro. You look stunned and exhausted by the the level of rank heresy.

SPEAKER_06 35:55

So that that that's a a a very well-known pastor. Well, I don't call him pastor. That's a very well-known J cat by the name of Jamal Bryant. Big following. Podcasts. Um, yeah, um, it's it's it's it's laughable. Like, it's not nothing to laugh about, though. Nothing to laugh about, but not at all. When we know who Christ is and what he came and what he fulfilled and what he did, the notion of someone to be able to say that 85% of his life, he was in the wrong. Nowhere in scripture does it testify to that. And going back to what we said before, when you're going against God's will, that's sin. One of my favorite theologians, Johan Gerhardt, says, and maybe he got it from someone else, I got it from him. All sin is unbelief. So when you go saying that he doesn't follow the God's will, that goes to the aspect of you don't believe God's will is what's best for you. You're not trusting in what God has. You're not trusting in what God has revealed. That's sin. So to go up here and profess this and people sit there smug in the background, like, uh, he's about to kill it. Y'all ain't ready for this. No. Y'all should have turned that man's mic off. And I don't want to seem all mean or mad, you know, but this is something to be mean and mad about, to say that 85% of our Lord and Savior's life, he was in the wrong. Is that because he didn't do it the way you think he should have done? How about that was what was called for? That's what's him able to be our mediator and to understand all our plight, all of our grievances, all of our sadness and sorrow was him going through life, being tempted, overcoming, and things of that nature. Jesus, God in the flesh, was able to do that and fulfill the law for us. But no, he goes up there saying this, and the punchline is he was in the wrong for that. How is this even a sermon, bro? Like, you're not even pointing people to Christ, but I know you got stuff to say also, but that right there, I just don't get it. Like, we have to know the requirements to be the Messiah, and then we can celebrate in Christ, Jesus fulfilled all those for us, took our sins to the cross, redeemed us, reconciled us. This guy, they're talking about he needs to take his own sin to the cross before he gets to mine. And I don't know who he's talking about on the cross because it ain't gonna be this other sinner. This sinner you guys are pointing to saying, Oh, he broke the law because he loved you. I never told you to break God's law. I'm never gonna co-sign that. This dude's been wrong 85% of his life. You're telling me that that's God in the flesh? You got a problem here, a fundamental problem.

SPEAKER_01 39:18

Right. Why would I follow that guy? Why? And it's interesting too because the the the story, the, the, the, I mean, the story in English, that word just sort of sounds cheap. But uh, the reality, that's why I use that word a lot. The reality of God's engagement with us is such that we as sinners, like we're creatures. We're not equal with God, like Kenneth Copeland said. We're creatures, we're made, right? Tim Ross is homeboy. Tim Ross's homeboy. Indeed. We are, we are, bro, we are we are creatures, we are made, we're not equal with God. We're born in sin. There's this doctrine called original sin. We're born into this world with already this corruption inside of us, and it, and, and that's just a fixed reality. We inherited that from our first parent, Adam. And Adam all died. We read that passage. We are in Adam. We're born in sin, shaped in iniquity, the Psalms say. And therefore, if we are to stand before God, we do not have the perfection that God demands. Not only because of original sin, but then because of actual sin. Once we get going, we further prove that our nature is corrupt by choosing to rebel against God. That's what we do. You tell a kid from the youngest age, don't touch the stove, don't play with fire, what do they want to do? The very thing you told them not to. Because we're hardwired to be curious about breaking the rules. And then we actually do it. And we we we add up guilt on top of guilt, on top of guilt, right? And because of that, we do not have what God is asking for, which is perfection. We do not have holiness, we do not have righteousness or rightness. Therefore, we cannot be justified or made right with God based on our own works, based on our own good deeds. So therefore, we need a savior. We need a mediator, someone that can stand in the middle and represent God to us and us to God. And Jesus fulfills that role in his personhood. He's fully God and fully man in one person. One person with two distinct natures. The natures are not collapsed into one, nor are there two separate persons, like this dude named Nestorius is accused of, uh, or taught actually. Um, like there's two boards back to back. No, both of those ideas are wrong. And we have to care about this because, again, there's one mediator between God and man. So, all that to say, the reason why we have to get this right and we have to care beyond our personality cult, the people that we like, especially this guy, he's known in a certain community, the black community, for being over the top about black concerns, and people love him for that. And they'll follow him merely for that. Regardless of what he's saying about God and what he's saying about Jesus being wrong and evil, they'll follow him because of that thing that they really value. It's an idol for them. So we can't follow people for these reasons that matches the idols in our hearts. And what this dude is doing, Paul talked about this. The scripture just came to my head. Uh, 1 Corinthians 4, verse 6, Paul says, I have applied all these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, brothers, that you may learn, not, he says, may learn by us. So you learn from the apostles, he says, learn by us not to go beyond what is written. So you cannot go beyond what is written. This man made this up. This is the apostles did not teach that Jesus, 85% of his life was out of order. I don't know where he got this from, but he's going beyond what's written. And for that reason, we must reject him because we did not learn that from the apostles. That's what the apostles is saying. He says, that you may learn by us. Not to go beyond what's written. And Christians, we follow the prophets and the apostles. We follow what the Holy Spirit revealed to his apostles by Jesus Christ. That is the one true mediator. And just to further add on, bro, John 4.34, it says, My food is to do the will of him who sent me and to accomplish his work. Jesus says, That's what I do. That's why I'm here. That's my food is to do his will and to accomplish his work, bro.

SPEAKER_06 44:37

Yeah, I would I I was saving that passage as my ace of spades. You uh you got to it before I did. I just want to tell you that. I just want to tell you that. You know, it's all good. It's all good. I was ready today. I was stacked up. You're gonna go dig in my pocket. I'm gonna let you go.

SPEAKER_03 44:50

I'm gonna let you go, bro.

SPEAKER_01 44:54

But I'm saying, it's like, come on, bro. The Bible says the very opposite. Where are you getting this from, Jamal Bryant?

SPEAKER_06 45:01

Not just Jamal Bryant, though. That passage sums up all the examples that we talked about today. Where you're going beyond to say that God broke the law and masking it as love. To go, Jamal Bryant saying 85% he was out of order and things of that nature. You can't go beyond what Scripture has revealed. And just for clarity, it says uh Scripture, Christ is the cornerstone built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets. I know in our current times, people like to go around calling themselves prophets and apostles in certain camps. Just know when we say that, we're not talking about anybody who your grandma knew, your dad knew, your great-great-grandpapi knew. We're talking about actual prophets back in the Old Testament. We're talking about actual apostles that knew Christ, high-fived him, was there from his baptism to his death, the cross. And for the smart ass ones who want to say, well, what about Paul? Yes, Paul is a unique case that Christ actually came to and said, You're the apostle for the Gentiles. Okay? He's not talking about the local guy who comes into town, a apostle, a Woodrow or Prophet Jenkins. We're not talking about that. I just want to be I just want to be clear on that because there's a lot of that going on today. I don't want people, yeah, he's right. We only listen to the prophets. I brought my $5.99 ticket to go see the prophet tomorrow. They're not talking about that. Talking about holy scripture now. You can't go beyond that. And these people are going about these, I hate calling them pastors, but they do have sheep. They do have people following them and clinging on to the words and pointing them in various locations as a solid teacher, and the stuff they're teaching is harmful to people's soul. And that's why we have to be a Berean. We have to be able to know the key characteristics of who Christ is, what Christ accomplished, why he accomplished it, and why are we saying that he had to accomplish that? And that's why we reference some of the Old Testament passages about sin can't be in front of Christ, about him being the spotless lamb and things of that nature. And we have Christ's own words, as he just mentioned, he's here to serve the Father's will. You're sitting here saying that 85% of his life he was not doing that. You're out of order, bro. You're out of order. And I hope people actually don't view this as, you know, we we were bashing someone because we don't like them, or, you know, he he dated my sister back in the early 70s and, you know, saying broke our heart. I don't like the moment. This has nothing to do with that. Nothing to do with that. This is actual about God's word and what we stand on. Here I stand, I could do no other. God's word is what we're talking about. And if someone's going against God's word and creating a false Christ, we have to be prepared and have the tools. Our little Batman tool belt. And no, nah, that's not Christ. That's not Christ. That's not. I don't know where you're going with this. I love 85% of your message, maybe. But a little leaven ruins the lump. And we have to realize that.

SPEAKER_01 48:35

Oh, yeah. Well said, bro. Well said. And yes, we're highlighting uh Jamal Bryant's heresy, but it's not exclusively about him. There are plenty of people locally in all of our cities and states who are not as popular. They may not have a large platform like a lot of these gentlemen, but they they may be in that through line. A lot of these, you know, social media personalities on TikTok and Reels and anywhere else in the future, they'll camp out. Uh if they're teaching this, they too are deviating from scripture. They're going beyond what's written. And to again, just another passage, John 8.29, bro. It says, And he who sent me is with me. He has not left me alone, for I always do the things that are pleasing to him. Always. Beautiful, bro. I always do the things that are pleasing to him. So I don't, again, so we we pretty much already handled that, but it's it's it is shocking. It is shocking. And uh much more could be said about all of these, but our prayer is that um you see that it's important to understand Jesus' humanity as well as his deity, right? So Jesus came to fulfill the law. This this was established at Jesus' baptism. He came to fulfill all righteousness. And and from the gates, he started doing just that. He took on human flesh. Um, I love, I heard the theologians say the first place Jesus shed blood for us was not at the cross. The first place Jesus shed blood for us was in his circumcision. As an infant, he already started living according to the law, living according to the expectation, keeping the law perfectly. And even as an infant, he shed blood for us, starting at the circumcision and obviously culminating uh in a crucifixion. So he fulfills the law top to bottom, crosses all the T's, dots all the I's, perfectly obeys his father in his humanity, fully human, while also being fully God. And this is the kind of God that we serve, um, who cares so much to, my goodness, do what we can't so that we can have the forgiveness of sins, the comfort of conscience, and have justification and have this hope of eternal life based on our uh what he delivers in our baptism. Beautiful, bro. Any closing remarks before we tap out, man? This was good.

SPEAKER_06 51:21

We need to know who Christ is so we can answer who do you say I am, and point out to people saying, Well, that's not who he said he was. I can't go that way. That's not who he said he was. That's not who scripture testifies as to who is our Lord and Savior. So I have to exit stage left from this. I have to know what I'm running into because it's slippery cats out there that will word things in a way that makes it sound delightful, helpful, scriptural, but it's not. And we have to, and I'm not saying everybody has to be uh able to quote every passage of the Bible. There's people with great memories. One thing you do need to know is the character of our Lord and Savior to be sure that you're not being pointed to a false Christ.

SPEAKER_01 52:11

Yeah. And that's why, man, I I pray people get into a church where they're really being catechized or being taught. That is important. As all these new people, all the data showing, again, we talked about this multiple places, where so many people are showing new interest in Christ and Christianity. I pray people actually um being able to plug in and get catechized because you need to know the character of your God. You need to know his attributes. And uh, yeah, these things are for our good and they guard us from the evil one, and then they keep us near to the true and living God. So, yeah, get you a great church home. Um, yeah, get catechized, get taught. If you're in a rough spot right now, at least get you a small catechism from the book of Concord and just start reading through it. Just start reading through it. There you'll learn sufficiently um the Bible narrative, um, characteristics about our Lord, and and um, yeah, and stay tapped into the study, boys. That's why we're here. We're here to serve Christianity in the wild, we like to say. So anyway, for sure, for sure. All right, y'all hit the comment section up. Make sure y'all tap that hype button. Go crazy, hitting that hype button. That really helps us. We see the numbers, they're doing great. So share, subscribe, and hit that hype button. All right, y'all. It is what it is. Y'all already know. The study, boys, you the study, the study, the study.